Penny interviews Reshma Saujani, Founder and CEO of Moms First and Founder of Girls Who Code. In this interview Reshma and Penny discuss choosing bravery over perfection, how bold leadership can create opportunity for all and how failure is a crucial step in learning how to be better. Learning from your mistakes means waking up the next morning to recognize that you can survive and move forward.

Reshma’s story reminds us that building businesses—and movements—is a noble, and sometimes non-linear pursuit.